All this hair on fire rhetoric about the Tea Party causing the US credit downgrade is nothing more than liberal, democratic, and media BS. The American public, once again has been swamped with story after story about the Tea Party causing the downgrade. Well, read this article, and then answer a few questions.
Question 1. How can the Tea Party be responsible for excessive spending and poor fiscal policies that have been in effect for over 60 years?
My answer; they cannot. The Tea Party has brought the issue of debt and its cost to America into the mainstream political debate. If not for them, we would be living the lie and continuing to fund government in a way that is, to use an environmental favorite word, unsustainable.
Question 2. Why was the president, democrats, and some RINO’s allowed to label Rep. Paul Ryan’s debt plan as killing entitlement spending? Yet, his plan, had it been adopted, would have stopped the downgrade. Why isn’t the media covering this?
My answer; unless the plan is a democratic, or presidential plan, the media will not even consider it a serious plan. Yet, neither the democrats, nor the president submitted a plan in writing that would address the debt/spending/revenue problems of the United States. In fact, democrats, including the last congress (remember Nancy Pelosi) did not even submit a budget for 2010, or 2011. Yet, the press failed to mention that. What kind of governing is that? How did that look on our credit resume? Again, no questions from the media.
For a cult of flag waving, bible thumpers the following sentence should not be difficult to understand - The validity of the public debt of the United States...shall not be questioned. This is from the 14th amendment to the US Constitution.
ReplyDeleteIt has nothing to do with FUTURE expenditures it has to do with expenses that have already been incurred. If your teenager spends too much on you credit card, not paying the credit card bill really pisses off the credit card company. Would it bring the "issue of debt" to the debate- yes but it also ruins your credit rating and did not need to happen.
A country or a family has a moral and legal obligation to pay it's debts. It's simple Tom - stop trying to defend what the Tea Party has done - they are amateurs and in way over their head in global economics! They kicked the pebble off the cliff and have now caused an avalanche.
So, your credit card company has an "open" line of credit for your kid? Credit card companies I know do not let you spend above your limit. They stop you cold.
ReplyDeleteThe debt ceiling debate was about what the United States credit card limit was going to be. So don't lecture me on global economics.
Tell me why republicans and democrats were never wrong in the past when they voted against raising the debt ceiling. And did the country default. Of course not. Nor did they default this time.
It is very obvious you hate the Tea Party. Well too bad, they will be here for a long time.
After you spend the money is not the time to question whether you are going to pay the bill. I think S&P made a mistake but they definitely said in their letter that the way the US decided to finally pay our bill was a major factor in the downgrade. If your credit is good the credit card companies allow you to overspend your limit and then charge you a fee. You are still obligated to pay the bill. The Tea Party made a mistake. The Tea Party acts like a bull in a china closet and that closet has a lot of peoples retirement funds in it. Can you really not understand why a lot of people would be upset with them? I think if you can separate your hatred of big government from the completely fabricated "debt ceiling" you can understand.
ReplyDeleteAll this anger over the Tea Party, and yet no anger towards a president that has done everything he can to kill the economy.
ReplyDeleteIf you think the stock market crash was totally because of the downgrade? The economic situation of this country had nothing to do with it? The global economy had nothing to do with the fall?
If democrats and some republicans do not do anything to fix our debt (entitlement programs) we will continue to see our stock market fall. This is what the Tea Party was saying during the debt debate. Yet, no one wanted to listen. The Tea Party forced them to listen.
And as far as the president goes, he had a deal with democrats and republicans on the table. He changed the deal. Where is the outrage? That deal even had revenue increase with tax rate cuts. But he could not stomach the cuts.
What amazes me is that you all are mad because the Tea Party is bringing focus to the issue. The media hates them (that in itself makes me like them).
PS, I will always hate a government that is too large and too intrusive. I would hope all Americans would.
Do you think the Tea Party is not intrusive? The Tea Party is very intrusive and wants laws about gay marriage, what we teach in public schools and then complain about the kinds of light bulbs the government wants us to use-- what hypocrisy!!!
ReplyDeleteYou don't bring "focus" to the fact your car needs to be washed by taking a sledgehammer to the hood!
I don't know of an organized effort by the Tea Party to pass any laws about gay marriage. I would not support that. I say let them marry if they want the headaches (just kidding here to my married friends).
ReplyDeleteAs far as what is taught in schools, you must be talking about the State Board of Education in Texas. I support any SBOE member who wants to make sure that kids are taught history as it happened. Not the revisionist history that had been proposed. Of course anytime you discuss religion, history, and science, you are going to have disagreements. In this country, the majority rules (for the most part) and if the SBOE is stacked republican, then so be it, as republicans have a majority in the state.
I am not one who goes around proposing new laws for every problem d' jour. In fact, there a too many laws in this country today.
Sometimes, to get the mud that is old, dried up, and stuck to your wheel wells, you need a hammer. Our governments, just like old mud, are stuck in the ways of the past, and are in dire need of a hammer.
We must all remember that the Progressive Democrats in Control of Washington did not only propose a plan to reduce the Debt or Deficit but they DID NOT propose one BUDGET for more than 800 days, just blank checks to President Obama.
ReplyDelete@Mr. Anonymous from the top, I strongly suggest you become honest with yourself and those who read your misleading comments. I strongly encourage you to read the Constitution to include the 14th Amendment in its entirety.
This Amendment actually was established to ensure that the great debts incurred during the Civil War to include promised Pensions to Soldiers and Families would not be halted by future congresses also to include the debts accrued by the Confederacy was unenforceable and would not be payed by the Union.
This amendment does not imply on the Executive Branch an ability to unilaterally incur further debts not authorized by the Congress as established by the Constitution
Art. 1 Sect. 7 "All Bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives...."
Art. 1 Sect. 8 clause 1; "To borrow money on the Credit of the United States."
Art. 1 Sect. 9 Appropriations Clause; "No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by LAW; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public money shall be published from time to time.
WE THE PEOPLE, the TEA PARTY, Conservatives are done Compromising on our Principles and Virtuous political philosophies. WE will work diligently, if it take the rest of our lives, to reform or abolish the PROGRESSIVE government actions taken during this Century.
Are you trying to say that the money was spent without congressional approval? Are you saying that these were illegal expenditures? If so you need to watch something besides Fox! The debt ceiling has no connection with the budget. This was an artificial crisis caused by the Tea Party that gave aid and comfort to the financial enemies of the United States.
ReplyDeleteYou say you were a Marine so I would think that you would have the logic and intelligence to see leadership that is based on a single ideology is not best for this country.
@Anonymous, I don't watch Fox News and this shows the shallowness of your silly logic and debate. I read all sides of the Debate, ALL SIDES. You should check out "politicalaffairs.net" you will be shocked at just who your philosophy is inline with or won't you?
ReplyDeleteNext time you should read over your statement before posting. Profoundly ignorant. Can you explain this. "The debt ceiling has no connection with the budget." Please show us all your vast cavernous amounts of logic and reason behind that one.
Oh, and since you know just who I am, personally, you should be a MAN or Woman and place your name. Don't be afraid.
Let me repeat - I will say it slowly for an ITI graduate whose sole "occupation" listed on linkedin is president of the local tea party - the debt ceiling has to do with paying for the expenditures you have already made - The budget concerns FUTURE spending. If you are going to wave the constitution then read the thing. It is a great document and the 14th amendment is not ambiguous. The Tea Party betrayed the 14th amendment and then wants to say how patriotic they are.
ReplyDeleteChris, read the above comments. When you said "Profoundly ignorant" then you took it to a personal level. What the Tea Party needs to learn is that there are plenty of my fellow Republicans that will push back against the bad manners of the TP and push back hard.
ReplyDelete@Anonymous, Yes just to be clear the debt ceiling was raised four times under President Obama and each larger then the last with no budget passed in either side of the bi-cameral house with bi-partisan votes, that money was spent without authority which means yes a subsequent blank check for the President to spend at will.
ReplyDeleteNumerous "JOBS" and phony stimulus programs initiated and we are still at way above 9% unemployment. Where's the money, ANONYMOUS?
We do have a Federal Budget Act as well as a Balanced Budget Act that requires Congress to spend only with the limits given under a scheduled budget.
Not my opinion, these are facts.
Weren't people like yourself upset at the RINO Controled Congress and Bush for the $170 billion annual budget deficit, guess what it's now more than $1.5 Trillion annual and it's not Bush's fault or mine.
We are here to stop it, Period.
The problem with your "We are here to stop it, Period." is that there needs to be something left at the end. The last two weeks shows that the Tea Party is willing to leave the US a smoldering mess and then brag that "we have brought focus to the problem". The two party system is based on compromise. The American people are not embracing the Tea Party tactics. It will end up dividing the Republican party (why didn't the Tea Party form a third party?) and thus aiding in the defeat of the Republican party in 2012.
ReplyDelete@Anonymous, don't get upset I am not insulting you, however if you are insulted then you should, like I said re-read your statement and clarify based on sound logic and reason. Are your words, "cult of flag waving, bible thumpers", we show "hypocrisy" in our philosophy not insulting, should you not try and find some moral clarity?
ReplyDeleteQuite the contrary. I will tell you here and now, you are no Republican with the views that you portray and secondly you DO NOT pay debt with debt. This is to assume that the egg came before the chicken.
Allow me to spell this out for you,
A budget is passed with outlays, if you have more outlays then revenue then you run a deficit. This deficit has to be funded by either foreign borrowing or intra-governmental borrowing, issuing of government treasuries or bonds.
These bonds accumulate and create a debt, so then another year comes and Congress passes yet another budget and deficits accrue as do debt because Congress has to authorize the spending before allowing for debt accumulation.
If your assumption is correct that we borrow to pay off borrowing then we have since 1960 raised the debt limit more than 70 times, why do we have a federal debt of $16.5 TRILLION today?
You cannot say hey loan me money because I have already borrowed a ton over there but I don't have a credit line. This is illogical, immoral and IGNORANT.
Readers to this blog check out the Marxist website, politicalaffairs.net and the blog posted on the side titled, "GOP's manufactured debt crisis was all about killing jobs"
Notice Mr. Anonymous' statement from above, "This was an artificial crisis caused by the Tea Party that gave aid and comfort to the financial enemies of the United States."
@Anonymous, Wow, Mr. Anonymous are you stalker? Let me assure you that you do not know me or do I ever presume to post my entire life's work on the internet.
ReplyDeleteHowever, are we to take away from your statement that as a TEA Party President that I should be a Rich insider with Conglomerate Companies? You are assuming that we even know or care who the Koch brothers are.
Cannot we all, "TEA Party types" just be honest, intelligent, God fearing, Americans that love our Country the way it was founded and supposed to exist?
Stop the Class Warfare, Sir or Ma'am.
So Chris, is McCain a Marxist?
ReplyDeleteMr. McCain mocked Tea Party-allied Republicans in the House for believing — wrongly, he said — that President Obama and Democrats will get the blame for a default if Republicans refuse to increase the nation’s debt ceiling.
By that flawed logic, “Democrats would have no choice but to pass a balanced budget amendment and reform entitlements and the Tea Party Hobbits could return to Middle Earth,” he said, quoting a Wall Street Journal editorial.
“This is the kind of crack political thinking that turned Sharron Angle and Christine O’Donnell into G.O.P. nominees,” he jeered, referring to two losing Tea Party candidates for the Senate in 2010.
Chris, when you see a REAL American hero, with experience say things like this, don't you wonder if you and your buddies are going down the wrong path?
@Anonymous, This will be the last time i rebut any of your talking point nonsense. McCain is A "PROGRESSIVE" learn as to what a PROGRESSIVE is.
ReplyDeleteBecause he has an (R) next to his name does not make him a (r)epublican, I honor Sen. McCain for his service and he is a HERO however that does not mean that I must honor his every word and philosophy.
Sir, Politics is about the best and most logically sound opinion that makes it through the Democratic process of opinion not about the man bumbling the opinion.
Well so that I can learn Mr. Professor, give me your description of; Nixon, Reagan, Bush 1 and Bush 2. Then we can compare their actual records. Were all of these progressives?
ReplyDeleteYou must have been proud last night when all the Republican candidates said they would be against even a 10 to 1 deficit versus revenue deal. How do you think the independents look at that? Do you think the Tea Party has enough members to elect a President?
All government, indeed every human benefit and enjoyment, every virtue, and every prudent act, is founded on compromise and barter. Thanks to the Tea Party the chances of a Republican winning in 2012 is greatly reduced.
ReplyDelete@Anonymous, still anonymous? I guess my record and intelligence is not relevant because MRS. Anonymous says so. Who are you, you have a great loud opinion but no name? What do you hide from? Funny how my Degree and Military service is not good enough for Mrs. Anonymous but as soon as some phony leftist "grassroots" leader as ignorant as the sole of my shoe (Nancy Pelosi) stands up they become extolled as a hero.
ReplyDeleteDo you know what the most Depressing aspect of your comments in toto are, that you are so willing to accept the advice and talking points in order to hand over more consent to the very people who got us into this mess in the first place.
You, Mrs. Anonymous, refuse to see that the TEA Party is the American People, Republicans, disaffected Democrats and Independents who understand the VERY dangerous slide our Nation is on and want it halted.
Sir or Ma'am, we as a Nation have no more room for Compromise. If this nation falters and crumbles behind a mentality such as yours there will be no more defense of Liberty in the world, this world will fall back into the dark ages and we will suffer or children will suffer.
Let me ask you did Washington and the Marxist Democrats Compromise with taking over the Financial Sector, taking control of two auto makers, Healthcare reform, Financial Reform, all the arbitrary Rules of the Bureaucracies killing employment, the unrelenting oil drilling moratorium by President Obama, rescinded by a Federal Judge but left in place by OUR President? I could go on.
I am NOT nor do I believe many Conservatives or TEA Party Americans are concerned or anxious to elect some mush mouth Republican who is willing to go along to get along just for the sake of having yet another (R)epublican.
Mr. Bowling,
ReplyDeleteYou and I have shaken hands and broken bread together. There are several pictures of me on your "patriots" site. If events permit me I am usually in NY during the month of September. My oath includes; "I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic." If I told you my real name you would not know it. Thank you for the data.
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